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	<title>Comments on: Pruning Grape Vines: Coaxing fruit from Swenson Red</title>
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	<description>Growing grapes and making wine in Bellevue</description>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-31060</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Suzi,

Thank you for that article - what a different perspective. Here in the Puget Sound, we lust after every extra degree-day and try to make the most of ever bit of sunlight. A lot of people are complaining about our hot summer, but it&#039;s going to be a great year for grapes (and tomatoes and peppers ...) But after reading that, even I will be a little more careful about leaf pulling.

Thanks too for the link to germplasm repository. For anyone wanting to grow from cuttings, and some of my bonsai vineyard is from cuttings, this is a great resource. 

Keep in touch. I&#039;d love to follow the progress of your vines.

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Suzi,</p>
<p>Thank you for that article &#8211; what a different perspective. Here in the Puget Sound, we lust after every extra degree-day and try to make the most of ever bit of sunlight. A lot of people are complaining about our hot summer, but it&#8217;s going to be a great year for grapes (and tomatoes and peppers &#8230;) But after reading that, even I will be a little more careful about leaf pulling.</p>
<p>Thanks too for the link to germplasm repository. For anyone wanting to grow from cuttings, and some of my bonsai vineyard is from cuttings, this is a great resource. </p>
<p>Keep in touch. I&#8217;d love to follow the progress of your vines.</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-30947</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erroll, many of your neighbors come here to winter.  We call them snow birds!  I am in the Palm Springs Coachella Valley.  Hot desert!!  So any vines I grow will be in partial shade, and the heat is there night and day.  I will protect the clusters and the only leaves I pull will be to make Dolmades!  

Here is a nice article you will love:  http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticle&amp;dataId=45457

I&#039;m not familiar with the vines you grow either...  Sometimes I get zone jealous!  Mostly, I just live in my world and make do!  

If you look at UC Davis site, the list is long for wine grapes and the cuttings are free.  You pay shipping only.  I searched for grapes  that are heat craving.  You will find a world of cuttings there that may increase your vineyard and enhance your blends.

http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=12254  I copied and pasted the whole list into excel, and sorted by country.  Then I sorted alphabetically so I could research each grape I ordered.

I seem to do OK with cuttings.  I pruned some over vigorous green softwood canes from my Mourvedre and I now have 2 nicely growing vines for free.  Easy rooters!!
Suzi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erroll, many of your neighbors come here to winter.  We call them snow birds!  I am in the Palm Springs Coachella Valley.  Hot desert!!  So any vines I grow will be in partial shade, and the heat is there night and day.  I will protect the clusters and the only leaves I pull will be to make Dolmades!  </p>
<p>Here is a nice article you will love:  <a href="http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticle&#038;dataId=45457" rel="nofollow">http://www.winebusiness.com/wbm/?go=getArticle&#038;dataId=45457</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with the vines you grow either&#8230;  Sometimes I get zone jealous!  Mostly, I just live in my world and make do!  </p>
<p>If you look at UC Davis site, the list is long for wine grapes and the cuttings are free.  You pay shipping only.  I searched for grapes  that are heat craving.  You will find a world of cuttings there that may increase your vineyard and enhance your blends.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=12254" rel="nofollow">http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=12254</a>  I copied and pasted the whole list into excel, and sorted by country.  Then I sorted alphabetically so I could research each grape I ordered.</p>
<p>I seem to do OK with cuttings.  I pruned some over vigorous green softwood canes from my Mourvedre and I now have 2 nicely growing vines for free.  Easy rooters!!<br />
Suzi</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-30925</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Suzi,

I like a vertical cordon, because it makes moving and root pruning easier. I go into more detail about how and why I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/05/09/pruning-my-grape-vines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prune my container grape vines&lt;/a&gt;. As I learned with my Swenson Red, sometimes the vine has other ideas. Per-vine yields will be lower in containers, so I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/04/28/canopy-management-cluster-thinning/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thin clusters&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/04/21/canopy-management-leaf-pulling/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pull leaves&lt;/a&gt; to get the most out of them. If you read the leaf pulling article, don&#039;t skip the comments. Andrea pointed out that my original thoughts on the tradeoff between pulling a leaf to get sunlight onto a cluster or leaving it in the shade to get more sugar wasn&#039;t quite right. I have since confirmed this with our local extension agent, so it makes for an easier decision.

But it sounds like your climate is so different from mine, that my methods might not apply to your situation. I&#039;m in the Puget Sound region, and I&#039;ve heard growers compare it to Germany, Burgundy, and even southern England. Your climate is like Greece? Where are you?

For a soil mix, I use 50/50 perlite and peat moss - with a handful or two of lime.

I&#039;m not familiar with the vines you have ordered, but I&#039;m excited for you!

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Suzi,</p>
<p>I like a vertical cordon, because it makes moving and root pruning easier. I go into more detail about how and why I <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/05/09/pruning-my-grape-vines/" rel="nofollow">prune my container grape vines</a>. As I learned with my Swenson Red, sometimes the vine has other ideas. Per-vine yields will be lower in containers, so I <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/04/28/canopy-management-cluster-thinning/" rel="nofollow">thin clusters</a> and <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/04/21/canopy-management-leaf-pulling/" rel="nofollow">pull leaves</a> to get the most out of them. If you read the leaf pulling article, don&#8217;t skip the comments. Andrea pointed out that my original thoughts on the tradeoff between pulling a leaf to get sunlight onto a cluster or leaving it in the shade to get more sugar wasn&#8217;t quite right. I have since confirmed this with our local extension agent, so it makes for an easier decision.</p>
<p>But it sounds like your climate is so different from mine, that my methods might not apply to your situation. I&#8217;m in the Puget Sound region, and I&#8217;ve heard growers compare it to Germany, Burgundy, and even southern England. Your climate is like Greece? Where are you?</p>
<p>For a soil mix, I use 50/50 perlite and peat moss &#8211; with a handful or two of lime.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with the vines you have ordered, but I&#8217;m excited for you!</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Suzi</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-30899</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this post about pruning, and in the drip post comments I requested information about your pruning methods.  

I know cane aka head training is common for Zinfandel vines, and I think it will work well for Mourvedre, Malbec, Perlette, and Touriga National.  Not so sure about Cabernet and Tempranillo.  I have on order from UC Davis:  Primitivo De Gioia, Cinsaut, Syrah, Alicante Bouschet, Charbono, and Mandelaria for reds.  Whites I have Daphnata and Assirtico.  Assirtico intrigues me because it is the main vine for Santorini, Greece.  Our climate is exactly like theirs, and they prune those vines on the ground into a basket shape, winding the canes around and around and up and up.  Protects the vines from the sandy wind.  I like what you said, &quot;let the vine decide.&quot;  But knowing their growth habits ahead of time would sure be great.  I&#039;m still researching.  Looking forward to seeing some more pictures of your vines!

Also, what kind of soil mix/fertilizer do you use in your containers?
Thanks!
Suzi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this post about pruning, and in the drip post comments I requested information about your pruning methods.  </p>
<p>I know cane aka head training is common for Zinfandel vines, and I think it will work well for Mourvedre, Malbec, Perlette, and Touriga National.  Not so sure about Cabernet and Tempranillo.  I have on order from UC Davis:  Primitivo De Gioia, Cinsaut, Syrah, Alicante Bouschet, Charbono, and Mandelaria for reds.  Whites I have Daphnata and Assirtico.  Assirtico intrigues me because it is the main vine for Santorini, Greece.  Our climate is exactly like theirs, and they prune those vines on the ground into a basket shape, winding the canes around and around and up and up.  Protects the vines from the sandy wind.  I like what you said, &#8220;let the vine decide.&#8221;  But knowing their growth habits ahead of time would sure be great.  I&#8217;m still researching.  Looking forward to seeing some more pictures of your vines!</p>
<p>Also, what kind of soil mix/fertilizer do you use in your containers?<br />
Thanks!<br />
Suzi</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-29257</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adam,

I had to look that one up, and it&#039;s sounding like a much better name than &quot;testing acid by CO2,&quot; &quot;the reactor-monometer,&quot; or &quot;Mr Proctor&#039;s gadget.&quot; Don Proctor made the device, and that&#039;s where the last name came from.

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam,</p>
<p>I had to look that one up, and it&#8217;s sounding like a much better name than &#8220;testing acid by CO2,&#8221; &#8220;the reactor-monometer,&#8221; or &#8220;Mr Proctor&#8217;s gadget.&#8221; Don Proctor made the device, and that&#8217;s where the last name came from.</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Erroll,
Thanks for sharing your winemaking experience with us.  Have you come up with a clever name for your acidity test yet?  If not, how about the Wolfe test, after Thomas Wolfe, author of &quot;The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Erroll,<br />
Thanks for sharing your winemaking experience with us.  Have you come up with a clever name for your acidity test yet?  If not, how about the Wolfe test, after Thomas Wolfe, author of &#8220;The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/06/01/pruning-grape-vines-coaxing-fruit-from-swenson-red/comment-page-1/#comment-28971</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 01:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joyce,

Jalapeno? That&#039;s one I haven&#039;t tried! Sounds like you&#039;ve got a good group out there.

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joyce,</p>
<p>Jalapeno? That&#8217;s one I haven&#8217;t tried! Sounds like you&#8217;ve got a good group out there.</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: joyce drabek</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyce drabek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed your article on rhubarb wine making.  Friends had told me that rhubarb was toxic but I had my doubts.  I have made wine for 16 yrs.  We are in westernmost SD and have several vineyards in the area.  I only have 40 plants and it is a hobby for me.  Give classes on wine making and enjoy giving/bartering with it.  Some of my favorites are cherry, chokecherry and jalapeno.  About 40plus members in a Grape &amp; Berry Assoc here.  Good climate in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed your article on rhubarb wine making.  Friends had told me that rhubarb was toxic but I had my doubts.  I have made wine for 16 yrs.  We are in westernmost SD and have several vineyards in the area.  I only have 40 plants and it is a hobby for me.  Give classes on wine making and enjoy giving/bartering with it.  Some of my favorites are cherry, chokecherry and jalapeno.  About 40plus members in a Grape &amp; Berry Assoc here.  Good climate in this area.</p>
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