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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/05/25/cherry-wine-recipe-bottled/comment-page-1/#comment-39765</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cath,

It sounds like your procedures are good; I just don&#039;t know what that milky substance could be.  I&#039;d keep going with this one, as long as it didn&#039;t smell or taste off, and see how it turns out. Then let me know - you&#039;ve got me curious!

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cath,</p>
<p>It sounds like your procedures are good; I just don&#8217;t know what that milky substance could be.  I&#8217;d keep going with this one, as long as it didn&#8217;t smell or taste off, and see how it turns out. Then let me know &#8211; you&#8217;ve got me curious!</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Sour Cath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sour Cath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Erroll,
When I started the sour cherry batch I added 4 campion tablets. The equipment had been washed and rinsed with metabisulphate and sun dried for 2 hours. However, birds had been in the trees dropping .. you know what .. fecal matter on the fruit. I washed the fruit and froze it, and then started the batch from frozen fruit and boiled water then added sulfate. It was not until I started to extract the first batch of primary fermentated wine from the carboy  that I noticed this milky like substance seeping from the fruit at the end of the extraction. The contaminate was been sucked out of the cherries.
To create a second primary fermentation, I add more water, sugar, and nutrients to make that second batch Jack Keller talks about. The first batch is often too strong so I blend the two batches. I should have stopped at the point when I saw the milky substance present because now in the second batch of primary fermentation there is a cloudy substance. The substance isn&#039;t on top nor on the bottom of the carboy it is throughtout the wine turning it the colour of pastel pink. I have never seen this colour before; sort of a whitist, pinkish cream soda. 

What I had done differently was change the yeast.   

To be honest with you the concoction smells of yeast. I don&#039;t smell cherry, I just smell yeast and sulfate. This yeast is highly active; with froth at the top, bubbling at the vent, and fussing when you remove the cork. The first batch behaved the same but with the correct colour.

Do I throw it away, and call it a contamination? Or do I wait to see what it taste like in a couple of days when I extract the &#039;wine&#039; ?

Cath</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Erroll,<br />
When I started the sour cherry batch I added 4 campion tablets. The equipment had been washed and rinsed with metabisulphate and sun dried for 2 hours. However, birds had been in the trees dropping .. you know what .. fecal matter on the fruit. I washed the fruit and froze it, and then started the batch from frozen fruit and boiled water then added sulfate. It was not until I started to extract the first batch of primary fermentated wine from the carboy  that I noticed this milky like substance seeping from the fruit at the end of the extraction. The contaminate was been sucked out of the cherries.<br />
To create a second primary fermentation, I add more water, sugar, and nutrients to make that second batch Jack Keller talks about. The first batch is often too strong so I blend the two batches. I should have stopped at the point when I saw the milky substance present because now in the second batch of primary fermentation there is a cloudy substance. The substance isn&#8217;t on top nor on the bottom of the carboy it is throughtout the wine turning it the colour of pastel pink. I have never seen this colour before; sort of a whitist, pinkish cream soda. </p>
<p>What I had done differently was change the yeast.   </p>
<p>To be honest with you the concoction smells of yeast. I don&#8217;t smell cherry, I just smell yeast and sulfate. This yeast is highly active; with froth at the top, bubbling at the vent, and fussing when you remove the cork. The first batch behaved the same but with the correct colour.</p>
<p>Do I throw it away, and call it a contamination? Or do I wait to see what it taste like in a couple of days when I extract the &#8216;wine&#8217; ?</p>
<p>Cath</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/05/25/cherry-wine-recipe-bottled/comment-page-1/#comment-39726</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cath,

So there&#039;s something white in your wine that has a smell you can&#039;t describe? That&#039;s not enough for me to pin it down, but the best approach is to assume it&#039;s an infection and act accordingly. That means physically separating the foreign substance form the rest of your wine and adding sulfite. If this stuff is forming a layer, floating on the top or settling on the bottom, then you should be able to rack the wine off of it. The next step is to add &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/05/08/measuring-sulfite/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sulfite&lt;/a&gt;. Did you sulfite at the beginning? If so, use a normal dose (1 campden tablet or equivalent per gallon). If not, use twice the normal dose.

If it&#039;s well mixed with your wine, then you may have to rely of sulfite alone. That&#039;s less likely to work, but worth a try.

I don&#039;t know what your procedures are like, but anytime you have an infection you should look at improving your sanitation. Once this batch is finished, clean your equipment thoroughly. Sanitize *all* equipment that might come into contact with your wine/must before starting your next batch. Use sulfite. Wash your hands - I often use rubbing alcohol on my hands after I&#039;ve washed them and wait for them to dry (it doesn&#039;t take long) before going to work.

I hope this helps - good luck!

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cath,</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s something white in your wine that has a smell you can&#8217;t describe? That&#8217;s not enough for me to pin it down, but the best approach is to assume it&#8217;s an infection and act accordingly. That means physically separating the foreign substance form the rest of your wine and adding sulfite. If this stuff is forming a layer, floating on the top or settling on the bottom, then you should be able to rack the wine off of it. The next step is to add <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/05/08/measuring-sulfite/" rel="nofollow">sulfite</a>. Did you sulfite at the beginning? If so, use a normal dose (1 campden tablet or equivalent per gallon). If not, use twice the normal dose.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s well mixed with your wine, then you may have to rely of sulfite alone. That&#8217;s less likely to work, but worth a try.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what your procedures are like, but anytime you have an infection you should look at improving your sanitation. Once this batch is finished, clean your equipment thoroughly. Sanitize *all* equipment that might come into contact with your wine/must before starting your next batch. Use sulfite. Wash your hands &#8211; I often use rubbing alcohol on my hands after I&#8217;ve washed them and wait for them to dry (it doesn&#8217;t take long) before going to work.</p>
<p>I hope this helps &#8211; good luck!</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Sour Cath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sour Cath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info on cherry wine. I have made several batches of sour cherry wine from montmorency cherries. These last few days, I have started a second batch from 8 lbs of this years cherries which I have done in the past following Jack Kellers suggestions. This time, however maybe from the fruit yeast, a milky substance has appeared? The yeast is very active, as I added two yeast packages, plus yeast nutrition. The wine has been frothing and bubbling vigorously. I have never seen a milky colouration? I mean strong milking colouration has appeared throughout the second batch.  The smell is of What could it be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info on cherry wine. I have made several batches of sour cherry wine from montmorency cherries. These last few days, I have started a second batch from 8 lbs of this years cherries which I have done in the past following Jack Kellers suggestions. This time, however maybe from the fruit yeast, a milky substance has appeared? The yeast is very active, as I added two yeast packages, plus yeast nutrition. The wine has been frothing and bubbling vigorously. I have never seen a milky colouration? I mean strong milking colouration has appeared throughout the second batch.  The smell is of What could it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Erroll
 Most of the time we get about 300 to 500#.Last summer was a wopper year, but i only used 50# this year goining to use 300#or more. want to make 50gal,s i used  4.5# of cherrys to gal water this year i will use 6# to gal water.
Best Joseph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Erroll<br />
 Most of the time we get about 300 to 500#.Last summer was a wopper year, but i only used 50# this year goining to use 300#or more. want to make 50gal,s i used  4.5# of cherrys to gal water this year i will use 6# to gal water.<br />
Best Joseph</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/05/25/cherry-wine-recipe-bottled/comment-page-1/#comment-35286</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joseph,

I have four cherry trees in pots, and my harvest is tiny. I would love to get 50 lb/year from my own trees!

Glad you stopped by,

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joseph,</p>
<p>I have four cherry trees in pots, and my harvest is tiny. I would love to get 50 lb/year from my own trees!</p>
<p>Glad you stopped by,</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings to all.
Just surfed by. nice topic Cherry wine
just made my frist batch of cherry wine  this past summer.
have 5 trees rainer.and one vamp used 50# of rainers 
made 10 gals. going to bottle in march. also 25gals of concord blush, nice web sight might plant my feet.
Best Joseph 
cashmere WA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings to all.<br />
Just surfed by. nice topic Cherry wine<br />
just made my frist batch of cherry wine  this past summer.<br />
have 5 trees rainer.and one vamp used 50# of rainers<br />
made 10 gals. going to bottle in march. also 25gals of concord blush, nice web sight might plant my feet.<br />
Best Joseph<br />
cashmere WA.</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/05/25/cherry-wine-recipe-bottled/comment-page-1/#comment-33184</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Edwin,

I&#039;ve been reluctant to try malo lactic fermentation in wines where malic is the dominant acid. What I&#039;m worried about is all that malic acid getting converted and leaving the wine with an excess of lactic acid. Did you find any sourness, a hint of yogurt, in your cherry wine?

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Edwin,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reluctant to try malo lactic fermentation in wines where malic is the dominant acid. What I&#8217;m worried about is all that malic acid getting converted and leaving the wine with an excess of lactic acid. Did you find any sourness, a hint of yogurt, in your cherry wine?</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin Hoogerbeets</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Hoogerbeets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When making cherry wine, you have to worry about stability. (I don&#039;t know, maybe your house is like mine and the wine doesn&#039;t last long enough for it to be a problem. ;-)

One thing you have to be careful of is the proteins in the cherries, which can cause the wine to go bad relatively quickly (18 months?). The guy at the local wine shop recommended using bentonite to precipitate out the proteins after the 1st racking.

Another thing I tried is malo-lactic bacteria, which convert the malic acid which is dominant in cherries to the softer, rounder lactic acid. This also helps stabilize the wine, and is often used in red grape wines. There are various types of MLB, but I always use Lallemand 31 or 41.

I produced a very nice cherry wine 3 years ago from local California bings, but unfortunately left it on the oak chips way too long, which ruined it. I also used this stuff called &quot;Optired&quot; which contains enzymes which break down the skins. Normally, it is used for grape wine, but I tried it with cherries, and it worked there too. It made for a heavier body than the typical cherry wine, which is usually pretty light, as more flavor was extracted from the skins.

Maybe I&#039;ll try again next summer and leave the oaking part out. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When making cherry wine, you have to worry about stability. (I don&#8217;t know, maybe your house is like mine and the wine doesn&#8217;t last long enough for it to be a problem. <img src='http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One thing you have to be careful of is the proteins in the cherries, which can cause the wine to go bad relatively quickly (18 months?). The guy at the local wine shop recommended using bentonite to precipitate out the proteins after the 1st racking.</p>
<p>Another thing I tried is malo-lactic bacteria, which convert the malic acid which is dominant in cherries to the softer, rounder lactic acid. This also helps stabilize the wine, and is often used in red grape wines. There are various types of MLB, but I always use Lallemand 31 or 41.</p>
<p>I produced a very nice cherry wine 3 years ago from local California bings, but unfortunately left it on the oak chips way too long, which ruined it. I also used this stuff called &#8220;Optired&#8221; which contains enzymes which break down the skins. Normally, it is used for grape wine, but I tried it with cherries, and it worked there too. It made for a heavier body than the typical cherry wine, which is usually pretty light, as more flavor was extracted from the skins.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll try again next summer and leave the oaking part out. <img src='http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 21:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All:

I have made my first batch of cherry wine and find that it does not have a strong cherry flavour.  I would also like to sweeten it some.  I am thinking about getting some organic cherry juice, adding some sugar and then adding that to the batch.  Thoughts??

I also have some frozen bing cherries and was wondering if anyone had made cherry/crab apple wine?  Not sure how many cherries vs the tart crab apples to use.

Cheers, Dianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All:</p>
<p>I have made my first batch of cherry wine and find that it does not have a strong cherry flavour.  I would also like to sweeten it some.  I am thinking about getting some organic cherry juice, adding some sugar and then adding that to the batch.  Thoughts??</p>
<p>I also have some frozen bing cherries and was wondering if anyone had made cherry/crab apple wine?  Not sure how many cherries vs the tart crab apples to use.</p>
<p>Cheers, Dianne</p>
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