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	<title>Comments on: Titratable Acidity: A Better Way!</title>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40478</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian,

I started getting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/04/27/titratable-acidity-trouble-with-the-better-way/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inconsistent results&lt;/a&gt; with this device. My hunch is that the seals aren&#039;t airtight anymore, and I&#039;ve been meaning to replace some of the parts (hoses, syringe, and maybe the bung). Haven&#039;t gotten to that yet. It&#039;s on the list!

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>I started getting <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/04/27/titratable-acidity-trouble-with-the-better-way/" rel="nofollow">inconsistent results</a> with this device. My hunch is that the seals aren&#8217;t airtight anymore, and I&#8217;ve been meaning to replace some of the parts (hoses, syringe, and maybe the bung). Haven&#8217;t gotten to that yet. It&#8217;s on the list!</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-40365</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any more on the TA titration contraption you posted back in 08&#039;?  I would like to know how it works and how to go about making one.
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any more on the TA titration contraption you posted back in 08&#8242;?  I would like to know how it works and how to go about making one.<br />
thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-37181</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tomer,

An acid, any acid, is a molecule that can break into one (or more) hydrogen ion(s) and the rest of the molecule. A hydrogen ion is just a free proton, and that&#039;s why acids are sometimes described as &quot;proton donors.&quot;

When sodium bicarbonate is in a solution with an acid, the sodium (NA) combines with &quot;the rest&quot; to form a salt, and the bicarbonate (HCO3) combines with the hydrogen ion to form carbonic acid (H2CO3). The carbonic acid then breaks down into carbon dioxide gas (CO2 - which is what the acid testing device measures) and water (H2O).

This works for tartaric acid, citric acid, malic acid, and any other acid. Hope this helps,

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tomer,</p>
<p>An acid, any acid, is a molecule that can break into one (or more) hydrogen ion(s) and the rest of the molecule. A hydrogen ion is just a free proton, and that&#8217;s why acids are sometimes described as &#8220;proton donors.&#8221;</p>
<p>When sodium bicarbonate is in a solution with an acid, the sodium (NA) combines with &#8220;the rest&#8221; to form a salt, and the bicarbonate (HCO3) combines with the hydrogen ion to form carbonic acid (H2CO3). The carbonic acid then breaks down into carbon dioxide gas (CO2 &#8211; which is what the acid testing device measures) and water (H2O).</p>
<p>This works for tartaric acid, citric acid, malic acid, and any other acid. Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Tomer1</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-37171</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomer1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldnt sodium bicarbonate only react with tartaric acid?
What about fruits which mainly feature citric or malic acid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldnt sodium bicarbonate only react with tartaric acid?<br />
What about fruits which mainly feature citric or malic acid?</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32484</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 05:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rich,

Thank you for the kind words!

I&#039;ve been meaning to go into detail about how the device works, but I&#039;ve been getting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/04/27/titratable-acidity-trouble-with-the-better-way/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;inconsistent results when I try to determine TA by measuring CO2&lt;/a&gt;. Also, other aspects of life have been demanding my attention, and I haven&#039;t been able to devote as much time to the hobby as I would like. I expect this will change, and when it does, I&#039;ll revisit the acid test device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rich,</p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been meaning to go into detail about how the device works, but I&#8217;ve been getting <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2009/04/27/titratable-acidity-trouble-with-the-better-way/" rel="nofollow">inconsistent results when I try to determine TA by measuring CO2</a>. Also, other aspects of life have been demanding my attention, and I haven&#8217;t been able to devote as much time to the hobby as I would like. I expect this will change, and when it does, I&#8217;ll revisit the acid test device.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32406</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eroll,
You are a wonderful scientist, magician and storyteller! Thanks for this interesting and informative web site.

Please explain in more detail the  *process* of using the titrating device in the photo. How do you take the readings and then how do you convert the raw data into usable information?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eroll,<br />
You are a wonderful scientist, magician and storyteller! Thanks for this interesting and informative web site.</p>
<p>Please explain in more detail the  *process* of using the titrating device in the photo. How do you take the readings and then how do you convert the raw data into usable information?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32389</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gail,

That&#039;s a common formula, and it&#039;s meant to simplify things. Really! It&#039;s meant to be used by just plugging in your own numbers without thinking about what each term in the formula means.

Let&#039;s say you&#039;re using 0.1N sodium hydroxide (the normality should be printed right on the label), and you keep adding it to a 100 ml sample of wine until you reach the endpoint of your titration. Plugging some numbers into the formula:

TA = ( (ml sodium hydroxide) * 0.1 * 75 * 100 ) / ( 1000 * 100 )
= ( (ml sodium hydroxide) * 750 ) / 100,000
= (ml sodium hydroxide) * 0.0075

I don&#039;t remember, off the top of my head, where the 75 comes from (I learned chemistry two decades ago). If you know the normality and volume of sodium hydroxide, you should be able to determine the amount (in moles) of tartaric acid. That plus the molecular weight should get you the mass of tartaric acid. I think the 75 is the result of multiplying some of those constants together. I&#039;m afraid I&#039;ll just get into trouble if I try to go into more detail than that.

The short answer is, you can use the formula literally. Just plug in your own numbers. It&#039;s important to pay attention to your units - if it asks for ml give it ml, and remember that it&#039;s giving you g/100 ml. So if you want g/L, multiply by 10.

Hope this helps,
Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gail,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a common formula, and it&#8217;s meant to simplify things. Really! It&#8217;s meant to be used by just plugging in your own numbers without thinking about what each term in the formula means.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say you&#8217;re using 0.1N sodium hydroxide (the normality should be printed right on the label), and you keep adding it to a 100 ml sample of wine until you reach the endpoint of your titration. Plugging some numbers into the formula:</p>
<p>TA = ( (ml sodium hydroxide) * 0.1 * 75 * 100 ) / ( 1000 * 100 )<br />
= ( (ml sodium hydroxide) * 750 ) / 100,000<br />
= (ml sodium hydroxide) * 0.0075</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember, off the top of my head, where the 75 comes from (I learned chemistry two decades ago). If you know the normality and volume of sodium hydroxide, you should be able to determine the amount (in moles) of tartaric acid. That plus the molecular weight should get you the mass of tartaric acid. I think the 75 is the result of multiplying some of those constants together. I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;ll just get into trouble if I try to go into more detail than that.</p>
<p>The short answer is, you can use the formula literally. Just plug in your own numbers. It&#8217;s important to pay attention to your units &#8211; if it asks for ml give it ml, and remember that it&#8217;s giving you g/100 ml. So if you want g/L, multiply by 10.</p>
<p>Hope this helps,<br />
Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: gail</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-32365</link>
		<dc:creator>gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,  i am trying to figure out TA and what the unknown numbers in the formulas mean.  For instance, one formula reads as follows,
TA(IN G/100ML)= (ml of sodium hydroxide solution)(normality
of sodium hydroxide solution)(75)(100) divided by 1000xsample
volume in ml.

What on earth does the (75) mean in the equation?

PS  I love the machine you made,  market it, looks much easier to use than this math............thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,  i am trying to figure out TA and what the unknown numbers in the formulas mean.  For instance, one formula reads as follows,<br />
TA(IN G/100ML)= (ml of sodium hydroxide solution)(normality<br />
of sodium hydroxide solution)(75)(100) divided by 1000xsample<br />
volume in ml.</p>
<p>What on earth does the (75) mean in the equation?</p>
<p>PS  I love the machine you made,  market it, looks much easier to use than this math&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10558</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Ah, my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/12/22/tomato-wine-recipe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tomato wine&lt;/a&gt;! When I last looked in on it, I described it as &quot;young, tart, and bone dry.&quot; That was back in February. I plan to taste and test it again, neutralize some of the acid, and age it some more. So I&#039;m not done yet, and this story may have a happy ending.

But at this point, I can&#039;t recommend it for general use - tinkerers and experimenters only! To them, I would say watch your acid. Consider not adding any up front then measure and adjust after the wine has fermented out. Above all, keep in touch so we can compare notes.

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Ah, my <a href="http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2007/12/22/tomato-wine-recipe/" rel="nofollow">tomato wine</a>! When I last looked in on it, I described it as &#8220;young, tart, and bone dry.&#8221; That was back in February. I plan to taste and test it again, neutralize some of the acid, and age it some more. So I&#8217;m not done yet, and this story may have a happy ending.</p>
<p>But at this point, I can&#8217;t recommend it for general use &#8211; tinkerers and experimenters only! To them, I would say watch your acid. Consider not adding any up front then measure and adjust after the wine has fermented out. Above all, keep in touch so we can compare notes.</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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		<title>By: Erroll</title>
		<link>http://www.washingtonwinemaker.com/blog/2008/09/08/titratable-acidity-a-better-way-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10556</link>
		<dc:creator>Erroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jesse,

I do intend to follow up with more on how to use it and how its made.

Erroll</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jesse,</p>
<p>I do intend to follow up with more on how to use it and how its made.</p>
<p>Erroll</p>
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